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Is youth team football now pointless?

So Chelsea recently won their 4th FA Youth Cup in a row. They beat Manchester City in the final for the 3rd time in a row, and have made 7 of the last 8 finals. 

Yet the last player to break through Chelsea’s youth system and become a first team regular is set to leave the club this summer.

John Terry made his Chelsea debut in 1998, 19 years ago. And since then, despite many millions being pumped into the Chelsea youth system, no other player has gone on to become a regular starter for the club. 

It leads me to the conclusion that, for top clubs at least, investment in youth is a waste of time and money.

To have dominated youth football for 7 years and not have developed a player good enough for your own first team supports this conclusion.

The likes of Josh McEachran, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Patrick Bamford, Nathanial Chalobah, Lewis Baker & Islam Feruz have all had plenty of loan spells over the time, but not much game time at Chelsea. 

The majority of the players to have performed for Chelsea youth teams have gone on to have half decent careers in the lower leagues, but it is only really Chalobah and, more recently, Nathan Ake, who have shown they have anywhere near the ability to be in a Chelsea match day squad. Although they are squad players rather than 1st team. 

Time might not yet be up for the likes of Dominic Solanke, Charly Musonda & Jay Dasilva. Whilst the likes of Tammy Abraham and Andreas Christensen have been impressive on loan. But whether any of them are good enough to be the “next John Terry” and go from youth product to 1st team regular is still up for debate. 

The majority of players will end up as journeyman, only to pop up in a lower leagues FA Cup run. 

It is not just Chelsea this criticism is labelled at. Manchester City have been the losing team in the last 3 FA Youth Cup Finals. They do not have a single academy graduate who has played a league game this year. The closest being Kelechi Ihenachu who signed for them at 18. 

The last group of players I remember breaking through at City would have been before the money came in. The likes of Micah Richards, Michael Roberts, Stephen Ireland and Daniel Sturbridge – and even some of these might have been signed to the club. 

Gone are the days of Arsenal winning the FA Youth Cup in the late 80s, then a year later winning the league title with many of the same players. 

Will we ever see a Class of 92 again? A Manchester United youth team winning the 1992 FA Youth Cup, then the majority breaking through into the Manchester United first team, and going on to win the biggest club trophy of them all, the Champions League?

Liverpool of the 90s might not have had Manchester United’s success, but they had a similar level of talented youth products. The likes of Steve McManaman, Robbie Fowler, Jamie Carragher and Michael Owen.

Not one club can be singled out from the current top 6 as having a successful youth system. 

Over at Manchester United, their recent most successful graduates are the likes of Danny Welbeck and Jesse Lingaard (although Marcus Rashford will be a top player). Before that it was Kieran Richardson, Wes Brown and Johnny Evans. Not exactly Beckham, Giggs, Scholes and the Neville’s is it.

Liverpool have given plenty of youth a chance in recent years. But what has happened to the likes of Martin Kelly, Andre Wisdom, Jay Spearing & Jon Flanaghan? Will Trent Alexander Arnold go the same way?

Is Raheem Sterling a graduate or was he poached from QPR? They have produced little quality since the Carragher / Steven Gerrard days.

A look over at Spurs will have many crying out “that is how it is done” as they challenge for honours with a group of young Englishman. It the fact is only Harry Kane in their current starting XI came from their youth set up. 

Kyle Walker and Danny Rose were signed from Sheffield United and Leeds, whilst Dele Alli was recruited from Milton Keynes Dons. Kieran Trippier was a Manchester City youth product who had already been an ever present in the Premier League for Burnley. And Eric Dier came from Portugal. 

They might have also bought through the likes of Ryan Mason, Andros Townsend and Jake Livermore, and have the likes of Harry Winks and Joshua Onomah, but these are all bottom half of the table / Championship players.

Arsenal are no better. 

Having won the FA Youth Cup in 2009, a lot of high hopes were put on the likes of Jack Wilshere, Emmanuel Frimpong and Jay Emmanuel-Thomas. Wilshere is the only one who has really made it from that group, only injury problems holding him back massively. 

Most probably couldn’t even name where the likes of Frimpong & Emmanuel-Thomas were now playing. The next generation of Chuls Aneke and Benik Afobe have also had to drop down the league. And time is ticking for Chuba Akpom. 

The reality is Chelsea have not produced an England regular since John Terry, Liverpool not since Steven Gerrard, Man City not in living memory. Can you count Jack Wilshere as an England regular? I don’t think so. Arsenal’s last was then Ashley Cole. Spurs can at least. Ow cling to Harry Kane. But before that it was Ledley King (although he only won 21 caps!). 

The big clubs have barely produced an England regular between them since the 1990s. And we wonder why the national team is struggling

John Terry made his England debut on 3rd June 2003. That was 14 years ago. Since that date, only two youth team graduates from England’s current top 6 have made their international debut and gone on to win over 30 caps. Jack Wilshere and Danny Welbeck. 

The days of sides winning the FA Youth Cup, and the competition being a good predictor for which side was set to bring in the next “future of English football” and dominate the game is over. 

The FA Youth Cup is now a pointless competition. It is worth celebrating as much as you’d celebrate your side winning the women’s Premier League. 

Keenos

Goodbye Coquelin – But what happened to the other Youth Cup winners?

Yesterday we loaned at Francis Coquelin to Charlton for a month. The only logical reason for such a short term loan as that it is to get him match fit for January, when he will be sold. This got me thinking (yes, dangerous  I know).

Five years ago I want to one of the best games of my life. It was the FA Youth Cup Quarter-Final between Arsenal and Spurs at White Hart Lane. It was the 1st time I had been to the Lane to watch Arsenal, and what an evening.

Like most, I got a text half way through the day from a mate, “Mate, Arsenal Spurs tonight, White Hart Lane, £5, pay on the door”. I was in like a shot. Reports were that there were 5,000 of us in the ground that day. At the beginning of the match, there was no Old Bill about. By the final whistle, it was as if every Met officer had been called in. They had clearly been caught out.

Arsenal won 3-1 thank to two late goals. The star of the show  was one of the youngest on the pitch. A 17 year old central midfielder who ran the game. Jack Wilshere.

Whilst Tottenham’s boy wonder, John Bostock, who was 2 weeks younger than Wilshere, struggled and looked out of his depth, Wilshere led his side, out shining Henri Lansbury in the middle. On a side note, Aaron Ramsey was young enough to play in the game. Wilshere at this point had already become Arsenal’s youngest-ever league debutante.

Interestingly, playing upfront for Spurs that day was Ryan Mason. I only discovered that whilst researching this piece. He did not impress.

That 2009 side was one of the best I have seen. They went on to destroy Liverpool 6-2 on aggregate in the final, topped their Premier Academy League by 25 points and won the double. They were awesome. Power, pace and guile.

Anyway, why did the loaning of Francis Coquelin make me think of this game? Well he was also 17 at the time and, as part of an all conquering Arsenal side, looked a talent. He was even our corner taker! A team so good, but with Coquelin’s imminent departure, there is only one man from that squad who is still with the club. Jack Wilshere.

So what happened to the rest?

James Shea  – Goalkeeper

With Wojciech Szczesny having broken both of his arms, Islington born James Shea was in goal. Despite being 6 2, the 18 year old failed to command his area. An 8 day loan spell at Southampton was followed by a loan spell at Dagenham & Redbridge. He made the bench for a Champions League game in 2012, but by the end of that season, was released.

After spells at non-league Needham Market and Harrow Borough, Shea has fought his way back into league football and is now 1st choice stopper at AFC Wimbledon.

Craig Eastmond – Full back

The 2008/09 squad was filled with versatility. Eastmond, Tom Cruise, Coquelin & Luke Ayling all performed that year at both full back and central midfield. Big Jay Emmanuel-Thomas could play anywhere.

Eastmond ended up playing 10 times for the Arsenal 1st team, although the last of these appearances came 2 years before he was sold.

A couple of loan spells at Millwall and Wycombe lead him to Colchester on loan, where he later secured a permanent deal. Last season he made 42 appearances for the U’s, and he has clearly found his level.

His other highlights include being name check in a Chipmunk song and being arrested for indecent exposure.

Tom Cruise – Full back

Another versatile player, he played once for Arsenal in a Champions League match. A headlines delight, red tops throughout the country must have been kicking themselves when he joined Torquay in 2012, after a loan spell with Carlisle.

Kyle Bartley – Centre back

I remember the excitement when we signed barley 16 year old Kyle Bartley from Bolton. By 19, he was Arsenal reserve team captain. A big career was expected of him, but knee injuries have held back his career.

Loans to Sheffield United and Glasgow Rangers, he ended up at Swansea. A good performance against Arsenal in the 2013 FA Cup led many to question why we had let him go. Many not realising that despite joining Swansea 6 months earlier, he had not yet played a league match.

That game against Arsenal has proved to be his career highlight. He has played just 4 times in the league in over 2 seasons, interspersed with a loan spell at Birmingham. We have certainly not been proved wrong by letting him go.

He played just once for Arsenal.

Luke Ayling – Centre back

Always looked out of place in this side. As if he was just making up the numbers. And so it proved. The closest he got to playing for Arsenal was being on the bench for a dead rubber Champions League match against Olympiacos in 2009 – a 1-0 defeat which also saw youngsters Bartley, Cruise, Gilbert, Wilshere, Merida, Mannone, Eastmond, Coquelin, Randall & Sunu included in the squad.

Ayling failed to get on the pitch in that game, and was to leave at the end of the season. He spent 4 years at Yeovil Town, helping them into the Championship, before dropping back down to League One this summer to play for Bristol City in League One.

Henri Lansbury – Midfielder

So much promise as a youngster. So much was expected of him. Unfortunately, he was neither good enough, or had the right attitude to make it at Arsenal.

The signing of Aaron Ramsey, 2 months Lansbury’s junior, and the development of Jack Wilshere, nearly 2 years younger, restricted Lansbury’s playing time. His Arsenal highlight came when he scored against Spurs in a League Cup third round game at 18. What was expected to be a progressive loan move to Norwich City shortly after perhaps ended his Arsenal career.

Reports of him acting up at Norwich, liking a drink too much and being a general ‘diva’ were followed with him being caught driving his Audi A5 at 110mph. Owning a £40,000 car at just 19. Maybe that was the problem…

He seems to have got his act together as he has grown up. A successful loan move to West Ham was followed with him joining Nottingham Forest on a permanent deal, where he is now a key member of the team. A return to the Premier League is surely not too far away for the man who captained England to the 2009 UEFA U19 European Championship Final.

In his time at Arsenal, he played 8 senior games.

Emmanuel Frimpong – Midfielder

More interested in being a hip hop star and selling Dench t-shirts than breaking through into the Arsenal first team squad on a regular basis. He is the poster boy of failure for this generation.

In 2011/12, he seemed to have made his break through, playing 14 times at Arsenal. His career was about to explode, quickly becoming a fan favourite after clashing with Samir Nasri.

Unfortunately for Frimpong, this spat with Nasri was the cause of his downfall. He quickly became more known for his twitter feed and behaviour than his performances on the pitch.

After his break through season, he only played twice more for Arsenal, both League Cup matches. Loan deals at Wolves, Charlton & Fulham were equally as unimpressive, before he ended up signing a short term deal with Barnsley, were he promptly got sent off on his debut.

Frimpong’s contract was not renewed with Barnsley and after 4 months he found himself clubless. A string of unsuccessful trials led him to join FC Ufa in the Russian Premier League. No, I haven’t heard of them either.

If he had have concentrated on his football career rather than appearing on rap tracks with Lethal Bizzle, he might still be at Arsenal, especially considering our current problems with the centre of midfield.

Francis Coquelin – Midfielder

The man who inspired me to research this. Whilst still on Arsenal’s books, time is ticking for the Frenchman. 44 appearances for Arsenal, after Jack Wilshere, he is the second most successfully player of this generation. But he has proved himself to be not quite good enough.

A good loan deal for Lorient and his ability to perform in a number of positions is what has kept him around. He has, at times, always looked at being on the verge of breaking through, but never quite good enough.

Alongside his loan back to France, he has also spent a season in Germany for SC Frieberg. A loan to Charlton will put him in the shop window, and I am sure we will see him back in the Premier League at some point. Just not for Arsenal.

Jack Wilshere – Midfielder

He has done OK.

Giles Sunu – Striker

The young Frenchman could play on the wing and upfront. One of many young Frenchman to have come through our doors and be labelled the next Henry, his career at Arsenal was hampered by injury. He has since returned to France and become a squad member at Lorient, a short loan spell at Derby sandwiched between.

Played twice for Arsenal, we will probably never see him back in England.

Sanchez Watt – Striker

He certainly did not have the billy big bollocks that many of his colleague had. Arsene Wenger once said he was involved in the first team squad because “he works hard for the team”. Sadly, he did not have the talent.

Five loan spells at Southend, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Crawley and Colchester led him to joining the later permanently. He has over 100 first team games to his name, 3 of which were at Arsenal.

Jay Emmanuel-Thomas – Striker

Alongside Wilshere, Lansbury & Frimpong, he looked a star in the game against Spurs. I remember coming away from the game thinking I had seen the next Patrick Vieira.

Whilst he often played upfront, his size, , skills and ability seemed more suitable to central midfield. He was the captain of this generation. The cool kid. The one they all gravitated too.

Sadly, like so many more from this generation, his youth career was his highlight. After loan spells at Blackpool, Doncaster and Cardiff, it looked like he had found himself at Ipswich. After 2 years in Suffolk, he was sold to Bristol City. His lack of work rate and poor attitude leading to his departure.

At the time Ipswich Town boss Mick McCarthy spoke of his ‘scary potential’. Like Frimpong, his poor attitude has got in the way of having a top flight career. He played just 5 times for Arsenal.

 

The 2008/09 had a lot of potential. Whilst it is clear that Jack Wilshere has been a success, the rest have struggled. They remind me a bit of when Alan Curbishley spoke about his Baby Bentley Boys. Here was a group of young lads, who had a lot of talent, but have all struggled. They got a bit too much money too quick, became a bit too bling, bling, more interested in hanging around with the North London hip-hop scene that was breaking at the time than concentrating on making it at Arsenal.

Even Jack Wilshere has had his problems, and I am sure that club would have dumped him by now were he not so talented.

Francis Coquelin is the last of that group to be cast aside. Hopefully the club have learnt how to turn talented youngsters in first team players, as the Class of 2009 is littered with massive underachievemers.

Keenos