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Were Arsenal’s invincible team demolished too quickly?

A brief chat on Twitter surrounding the above tweet made me do a little bit of research, looking into whether they Arsenal 2004 invincible side was demolished too quickly.

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Of the 11 who are widely considered as the staring 11 of the invincible side, 6 of them were gone in 2006. Two more left in 2007, 1 in 2008 & 1 in 2009. Over 50% of a successful side sold or released within 2 years of its greatest success.

On the face of it, it is easy to make an argument for Arsenal’s invincible team being demolished too quickly. But when you dig down, a different story potentially comes up.

Jens Lehmann
Left Arsenal: 2008
Age when leaving: 38 years old
Premier League games played in last season: 7
Joined: Stuttgart

Lauren
Left Arsenal: 2006
Age when leaving: 29 years old
Premier League games played in last season: 22
Joined: Portsmouth

Kolo Toure
Left Arsenal: 2009
Age when leaving: 28 years old
Premier League games played in last season: 29
Joined: Manchester City

Sol Campbell
Left Arsenal: 2006
Age when leaving: 32 years old
Premier League games played in last season: 20
Joined: Portsmouth

Ashley Cole
Left Arsenal: 2006
Age when leaving: 25 years old
Premier League games played in last season: 11
Joined: Chelsea

Freddie Ljungberg
Left Arsenal: 2006
Age when leaving: 33 years old
Premier League games played in last season: 18
Joined: West Ham United

Patrick Vieira
Left Arsenal: 2005
Age when leaving: 29 years old
Premier League games played in last season: 32
Joined: Juventus

Gilberto Silva
Left Arsenal: 2008
Age when leaving: 32 years old
Premier League games played in last season: 17
Joined: Panathinikos

Robert Pires
Left Arsenal: 2006
Age when leaving: 33 years old
Premier League games played in last season: 33
Joined: Villarreal

Dennis Bergkamp
Left Arsenal: 2006
Age when leaving: 37 years old
Premier League games played in last season: 24
Joined: Retired

Thierry Henry
Left Arsenal: 2007
Age when leaving: 30 years old
Premier League games played in last season: 17
Joined: Barcelona

Of everyone that left, only Ashley Cole, Kolo Toure, Patrick Vieira and Thierry Henry could have been considered as both in their peak, and still first team players.

On the 4 that were in their peak – Cole, Toure, Vieira and Henry – they were certainly not forced out of the club.

With Ashley Cole and Patrick Vieira, they engineered their own exit’s. Bitter, acrimonious and sad. Thierry Henry was always going to play for Barcelona at some point in his career. And when Kolo Toure left, there was certainly a feeling that his time at Arsenal had come to a natural end.

The majority of those who left were the wrong side of 30 and clearly past it – as shown by the clubs they joined and their performances for those clubs. Most had also lost their place in the first 11 before they left Arsenal.

So did Arsene Wenger dismantle the invincible side too quick? Or was it just a natural end to a bunch of players who were at their peak together and their powers were on the wain?

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Are Arsenal Fans Playing Pokemon Go?

2Gotta catch em all.

Yesterday, when all the fuss was happening over Thierry Henry turning down a full time coaching position at Arsenal, one comment really hit a cord with me.

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We have had so many top players play for us over the decades. So many fans favourites. So many legends. And it seems that every fan expects every top former player to get a coaching job at the club.

That is just not realistic. It is like fantasy coaching.

What I picture now is fans travelling around the world, seeking out former Arsenal players in a coaching position (or acting as a pundit on TV), and attempting to capture them, bring them back to London Colney, and force them into a coaching job at the club.

It is like an Arsenal version of Pokeman Go.

We have Thierry Henry over at the Sky Sports  studios in Isleworth.

Up in Salford, Martin Keown can be found in the Match of the Day studio. Somewhere in London, Lee Dixon can be captured working at ITV Sport. David Seaman was last seen at Lea Valley ice rink, practising his twirls

Go south of the river (don’t get a black cab, they don’t go that way), Ray Parlour is to be found at TalkSport Towers. For Ian Wright, you have to go to Kings Cross, Platform 9 and ¾ and get a train to Hogwarts.

And then Arsenal Go turns international.

Go to Amsterdam under the guise of coaching an Arsenal legend (we all know why you are really going their). Dennis Bergkamp is to be found. You can capture Marc Overmars too.

Down in Azerbaijan, Tony Adams can be found. Although he might not be there longer. Then get a flight to Brazil.

In Brazil you will find Edu, and if you are lucky, Gilberto might be in town as well.

A trip to New York will enable you to capture the rarest of them all. Patrick Vieira.

And then it is a return to London. Will all your Arsenal Pokeman captured, to release them all onto the Arsenal training ground.

You have captured them all.

Of course, it does not matter that there are not enough jobs to go around. It does not matter that you have to sack proven, quality coaches to make space for unproven, unqualified, ex-players. None of that matters. What is important is that they all have jobs. Every single one of them. Anyone who wants a job gets one. And those that do not, as they would rather be working in their home country for their boyhood club, they can be chained to the centre circle. A chain long enough to get around the training ground. But not leave. Like a dog in your back yard.

It is silly isn’t it?

In the past, the likes of Geordie Armstrong, Pat Rice, Bob Wilson & Liam Brady have coached at Arsenal under Arsene Wenger.

Currently the likes of Steve Bould (assistant manager) & Freddie Ljungberg (U15 / U16) are at the club. Robert Pires also has a role. There are others too that did not have a stellar career.

Arsenal academy graduate Ryan Garry retired at 27. He is the clubs U13 coach. Greg Lincoln, another ex academy player, is also at the club.

Add in the likes of Giles Grimandi & Danny Karbassiyoon currently have scouting roles at the club. Steve Morrow is the head of scouting.

Steve Gatting has been at the club for what seems forever. People do not realise he is also an ex-player.

Kwame Ampadu has a 3 year stint at the club. He would have been Theirry Henry’s boss. Tony Adams has now taken up that position as his number 2.

So there are plenty of Arsenal people around the club. Some are ex-players of a legendary status, others players who’s career did not reach them heights.

But it is important we get the best coaches.

Look at Jose Mourinho. He is one of the top coaches in the game right now. He did not have any sort of professional career. Arsene Wenger did not exactly do much either. Within the club you have a man like Neil Banfield – who has been at the club for 20 years, Vic Akers (31 years), Steve Leonard (23 years) & Tony Colbert (18 years). Between them they have nearly 100 years of service to Arsenal.

Should we get rid of these stalwarts of the club. Proper Arsenal man, to make space for someone like Marc Overmars, who was at the club for 3 years, or Patrick Vieira, who spent 3 years trying to force a move away from Arsenal?

We demand the best players at the club, we should also demand the best coaches. We should not be handing out jobs to coaches who are not the best, just because they used to play for us.

Keenos

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Arsene right to reject Arsenal legend

132Imagine Starting a job. You are not very experienced at the job. And you are in training. It is a part time role so you work a second job alongside it.

After your training, you are ready to move on to the next level. A promotion of sorts. Another 2 years of training. But this time you have to go full time.

You knock on your managers door, go in, ask him if you can remain part time, as you do not want to give up your second job. This despite your first job needing full time commitment. What will you boss say? Probably tell you to F off.

And that is what has happened with Thierry Henry.

He is in training to become a fully qualified coach. Arsenal and Arsene have supported him so far. But the next stage needed some commitment from Henry. It needed Henry to give up his job at Sky. To show that he was fully committed to the under 18 team and to be a full time coach.

Henry turned it down. He wanted to change the terms. And Wenger did the right thing not bowing down to his demands.

This morning the club will get a lot of criticism from fans who just do not really understand. They will read an inflammatory, borderline libellous article by The Telegraph.

I will come onto the article in a bit.

But I fully support Arsenal’s stance on the matter.

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And that is what Henry is doing. Treating coaching like a hobby. Something to do with his spare time. Something to keep him relevant perhaps? Does he really want to become a coach? A manager? If he did, show the commitment, leave Sky. Take up a full time position.

Instead he wants to split the two.

So what happens on a mid week game? Or a Champions League game (do they still have the Champions League?) where Henry would be missing from training 2 days a week.

And what happens when a game clashes with his Sky duties. What takes precedent? Clearly he has indicated Sky does. So Henry does not turn up for the game. At the extreme, imagine if Arsene Wenger had a job with French TV, so was unable to be on the touchline for games?

Henry offered to be assistant to Kwame Ampadu. Again, the extreme, imagine if Steve Bould was unable to be on the touchline for Saturday evening games as he had to work his second job in a Weatherpoons in Stoke?

It happens at all levels of football.

One of my work colleagues daughter plays football (she is about 13). Her sides manager was relieved of his duties over the summer. The reason being was that his daughter had been recruited by a better club, and, understandably, he wants to watch her play. This meant he could not be there on the touchline on game day. He offered to coach the girls twice a week, mid-week, but on a Saturday he would not be anywhere to be seen.

This was deemed unacceptable by the parents of the other children. They did not want a part time coach. They did not want someone who was not fully committed to their girls. And he was told he would not be managing the girls next season.

As for The Telegraph article. It is a load of Bull. Where to start.

“Sources around Arsenal believe Wenger does not want anybody at the club’s London Colney training ground who may be prepared to challenge him or be seen as a possible threat to his position in the future.”

Who is your source? Where is your quote? Or is your source Twitter rumours?

Vieira was not allowed a senior role at Arsenal under Wenger even though he did not have any other commitments…Vieira accepted a youth development role at Manchester City.”

Again, another miss truth. Patrick Vieira was a Manchester City player when he was encouraged to retire with a year left on his contract. He took a job at Manchester City on the same terms as his player contract. Something that Arsenal would have been ludicrous to match.

“It is still a source of embarrassment to many people who work at Arsenal that Vieira has played a key role in City becoming a fierce rival of the Gunners.”

Is it really? Who is your source? Where is your quote? Or is your source Twitter rumours?

“Wenger stalled over how he could fit Arteta into his staff, allowing Guardiola to make him a first-team coach.”

This is the first I have heard of this. From what it looked like, Arteta had worked under Wenger for 5 years, and wanted to continue his development under a different manager, to make himself a more rounded coach.

It was only natural that Guardiola would be his choice. A great coach, like Wenger, and Guardiola needed someone in his set up who he has known for 2 decades and knows the English game. It was not a case of Arsenal rejecting Arteta, but Arteta moving to continue his development.

Bergkamp turned down an offer to scout.”

Anyone who has read Dennis Bergkamp’s autobiography will know that once his playing days were over, he planned to return to Ajax to coach. His beyond club whom he joined at 11 years old. To continue the work of his idol, Johan Cruyff. Are we really criticising Arsene Wenger or Arsenal for a player wanting to return home?

“…Overmars also went back to Holland.”

So another former Ajax player went home to coach Ajax. Overmars spent 5 years at the Dutch club. He spent 3 at Arsenal before forcing through a move to Barcelona. Did Overmars reject us? Did we reject him? Or was there simply no interest from either party?

It feels at this point they are trying to fill out an article by searching for players who are coaching at other clubs who were not offered a job by Arsene Wenger.

Steve Bruce never coached at Manchester United. Neither did Bryan Robson. Or Roy Keane. Or Paul Ince. Was an article ever written about Sir Alex Ferguson not giving a chance to former players?

Ryan Giggs and Manchester United have just parted ways. Where is the articles slamming Jose Mourinho for letting a club legend leave?

It is starting to feel like an agenda.

“Wenger has allowed a number of his old players back to Arsenal in temporary roles and working with the junior teams, but only former defender Steve Bould has managed to hold down a long-term position in his backroom staff.”

A great player does not make a great coach. That is fact. Look at Tony Adams as an example.

There are many former players currently in the club set up. One is Ryan Garry.

Garry is a former academy graduate who was forced to retire at 27 due to a knee injury. He is currently the clubs under-13 head coach. He is well thought of within the club. Working his way up. Showing commitment. Doing his badges.

Garry is a perfect example of a player who has had an average career, but could go on to be a top manager. And he is a former player.

Arsenal wanted commitment from Henry. Henry did not show that commitment to the club. Henry is not bigger than Arsenal, and he has now learnt that.

I will leave the last words to friend of the site @AFC_Glen:

Keenos
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