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Do you demand failure before success?

Over the last week, I have seen the same sort of thinking floating about Arsenal fans, opposing fans, and the media:

Liverpool win the league
Manchester City in the FA Cup final
Newcastle United win the League Cup
Tottenham or Manchester United will win the Europa League
Chelsea in the Conference League final
Meanwhile Mikel Arteta in Phase 8 finishes trophyless again

This sort of thinking has frustrated me, as the Arsenal fans pedalling it are essentially saying they want failure before they get success. And the success they are promoting for other teams would need be deemed a success if it was Arsenal.

Liverpool win the league

No doubt that this has been a hugely successful season under Arne Slott for Liverpool. No one expected them to win the league this year. They have basically done what we did in 2022/23, but did not have Manchester City winning 14 our of 15 games to overhaul them.

But the mocking tone of “Slott has done in a year what Arteta could not in 5-years and £800m” is misguided.

The situation Slott and Arteta came into was vastly different.

Slott took over a Liverpool team that finished 3rd last season and 5th the season before. It was a squad of players that had struggled with form and fitness over those two seasons. But ultimately it was a core of players who won the league, finished 2nd twice, and breached 90 points 3 times in the 4 seasons prior to 2022/23.

Under Slott, Mo Salah refound his mojo and this is solely what has driven them to the league.

Phase one of Arteta was shipping out the ageing, over paid, underperforming players that had us sitting in 13th when he took over. Slott did not need to do this.

Phase two was building a team without Champions League football. A team that would see us get back into the top 4. Again, Slott did not need to do this.

Phase three was then building a team that could consistently challenge for the league title. This is the phase Arsenal are currently at, and the phase that Slott walked into.

Slott did not need 3 phases, 3 years of building and £800m to make a title challenging team. He walked into one. Just like Pep’s successor will also walk into a title challenging team.

Now we could argue that Phase four is building a title winning team, but I do not think this phase exists. Winning the title is the end game of Phase three, not a new phase in itself.

So well done to Liverpool. Nothing went wrong for them this season. No major injuries, not drop in form of its superstars, and no decisions really going against them. All things that went against Arsenal this season.

Manchester City in the FA Cup final

For me, winning the FA Cup and finishing top 4 is a success. But for many other Arsenal fans, it is failure.

Under Arsene Wenger, when we won 3 FA Cup’s in 4 years and were consistently finishing top 4, the narrative was “top 4 and winning the FA Cup is not enough. We want to be challenging for the league”.

So how is it those fans who were loudest critics of Wenger are now complaining that we are league challengers (although this season our challenge did not sustain into the final 3rd of the season), but not winning the FA Cup?

It shows that some fans change the narrative to suit the agenda. And that agenda is to just moan all the time.

If we were 3rd in the table, 18 points off top, but in the FA Cup final, would you be happy or moaning? Are you painting another team as having a successful season, when if the same parameters were for us you would be crying failure?

Newcastle United win the League Cup

For a team like Newcastle, winning the League Cup is a huge success. And if they finish top 4 (or now top 5 with the Champions League extra spot), it will feel like a double success.

Imagine after gameweek 16 we were 12th in the table, despite no European football. Would you be happy with Arteta? No.

Had we won the League Cup, but in gameweek 30 we were 6th, would you be celebrating a great season? No. Newcastle’s successful season would be deemed a failure for Arsenal and we would all (rightly) be calling for Arteta to be sacked, with a League Cup win not enough to save his job.

Tottenham or Manchester United will win the Europa League

The Europa League is not the competition it was.

These days, without failing Champions League dropping into it (correct decision), it is much easier to win. The quality of teams in the quarter finals onwards was poor. It would actually be a failure for teams of Tottenham or Manchester United’s calibre did not make the final.

Tottenham qualified for the Europa League by finishing 5th, in the same season Arsenal went to the final day of the season in with a chance to win the league title. Ironically, had Spurs won on the last day of the season, they would have finished top 4 and qualified for the Champions League. Instead they celebrated losing as it ensured Arsenal did not win the title (if the situation’s were switched, we also would have celebrated).

Tottenham in the Europa League final is a success for them. But would you rather finish 5th and qualify for the Europa League? Or take Man City to the final day of the season?

As for Manchester United, they qualified for the Europa League by winning the FA Cup. But they finished 8th. If they win the Europa League this season, there fans will be boasting about winning the League Cup, FA Cup and Europa League in back to back to backseasons. But if this was Arsenal, fans would be saying the trophies just paper over the cracks (in fairness, many Manchester United fans are also saying the same).

Over the last 4 seasons, would you have been happy finishing 6th, 3rd, 8th and 15th, whilst winning the League Cup, FA Cup and Europa League? Or would you see this period as failure?

Chelsea in the Conference League final

The most laughable of them all.

The Conference League is a tinpot competition developed from sides in fringe leagues across Europe, and lesser top European league teams such as West Ham. For Chelsea to be playing in the Conference League, it means they were failures the year before.

Now I would caveat that last season, 6th got you in the Conference League due to Manchester United winning the FA Cup. This year it could be 8th that qualifies for Europe’s 3rd tier competition.

Chelsea fans will claim their side has “completed football” if they win the Conference League. But to claim that they are then celebrating failure. The only reason the likes of Bayern Munich, Real Madrid or Barcelona have not “completed football” is because they never finish low enough to qualify for sub-par competitions.

Completing football actually means you have not been consistently good.

Chelsea winning the Europa League would be the equivalent of Everton the EFL Trophy. Yes, they would get a day out at a final and a trophy to life, but to win it they would need to have been relegated twice, down to League One. Should you really be celebrating “success” when you have needed so much failure to have a chance at that “success”?


Finally I come on to Aston Villa.

Throughout this season I have had Villa and some Arsenal fans saying how Unai Emery has proven Arsenal were wrong to get rid of him, and that he has had a hugely successful season.

Yes, they had an excellent league run in the Champions League, but ultimately they were knocked out at the quarter final stage and currently sit 7th in the table. They will also finish trophyless.

It just shows that others team success will (rightly) be considered a failure.

So finally, before you dig Arteta out for failing to win a trophy, ask yourself: Would you want other the teams league failure that led to them qualifying for lower competitions?

If your answer is no, then stop using the potential “success” of Manchester United, Chelsea and Tottenham as a stick to beat Arteta with.

I would rather lose a Champions League semi-final to PSG then win a Europa League final against Norway’s 4th best team.

Keenos

“Arteta Out” for being 2nd to the best team in Europe…

It did not take long for the Grandpa’s to begin shouting “Arteta Out” to the clouds.

This season has not been a smooth one. But we sit second in the league and are guaranteed qualification to the play-off round of the Champions League. Yet some fans have come from under their rocks and are screaming “Arteta Out”.

Are we now in a situation where it is “top the league or sack the manager”, because if you are saying Arteta is underperforming with this squad, then you are basically saying it is “first or nothing”.

The way some fans (and many in the media) are going on, you would think we were sitting in 13th or 15th.

Admittedly, this season has felt a little deflating. And one cause of the frustration is that it is Liverpool ahead of us in the league rather than Manchester City. I am sure if it was City who were 6 points clear of us then not as much fuss would be made.

Arne Slott leading the way in his first season as led to a lot of mocking from fans of Arteta’s “phases”. But it does not respect the position both managers came into their clubs.

Arteta had a group of overpaid, ageing, underperforming players. His first phase was to get rid of them. His second phase was to get us back in the top 4. His 3rd phase was to make us title challengers. It is a fairly clear action plan that is obvious to all.

Meanwhile, Slott took over a team with world class players like Mo Salah, Virgil van Dijk and Allison. The best Premier League players in their positions over the last 5 or 6 years, and amongst the best in Premier League history.

Liverpool had only finished outside the top 3 once in the previous 6 seasons. And last season they were topping the league with just 7 games to go before falling away to 3rd.

A revolution was not required at Liverpool like it was at Arsenal. Slott has merely continued the work with the foundations laid by Jurgen Klopp, and got Salah back to his unplayable best.

Whilst the Grandpa’s are shouting at the crowd criticising Arteta, very few are giving Liverpool the credit they deserve.

51 points from the opening 21 games has them on-course for a 90-point season. Arsenal have never gained more than 90 points in history, with our highest being the invincible 90 point haul back in 2024. I always think if you get 90+ points and do not win the league you can consider yourselves unlucky.

And in the Champions League, Liverpool are top and the only side with a 100% record.

7 wins out of 7 has them secure their place in the round of 16 with a game to go. Right now they are the best team in both England and Europe. Being 2nd to them is no disgrace.

Next season will be the real test for Slott. If van Dijk, Salah and Trent depart. , he will then need to rebuild the Liverpool squad. That will then show if he is a top manager himself, or if he just inherited top players and a system from Jurgen Klopp.

Meanwhile, we need to keep the faith with Arteta.

Some will point to how much he has spent, yet that is blown out of the water by the likes of Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United. Our wage bill is also well below the 3 and Liverpool.

We need to keep growing the squad, and maybe take inspiration from Liverpool’s forward line

Rather than go for one single “world class” attacker – of which their are very few in world football – we need to perhaps mimic them and have a group of forwards that are that level below (Nunez, Jota, Diaz, Gakpo), who might not be able to do it for 38 games, but between them will all have their moments over the 38 games.

Benjamin Sesko and Matheus Cunha are those sort of players. Neither is world class, and both have put up similar outputs this season as Gabriel Martinelli and Kai Havertz. The pair, however, would provide us further strength in depth and options.

We will likely finish 2nd again this season. We can not get into a situation where we are sacking managers for finishing second.

Keenos

Fans of the “badly run 6” need to be careful what they wish for

What a glorious morning!

I am feeling a bit tender from the best weekend of the year weather-wise. Two days spent out in the sunshine drinking quickly takes its toll at my age. A mixture of sunburn and over consumption (food and alcohol) is taking its toll this morning!

Just like we blogged last week, the transfer merry-go-round to circumnavigate PSR hit the headlines over the weekend.

I have no issue with clubs selling youth products at inflated prices, and then buying youth products at equally inflated prices to try and create a short term balance of the books. All this does is kick a huge amount of debt down the road.

These badly run clubs are struggling to make ends meet now. these sort of deals are short term and will just lead them to breach the rules further down the line.

I am laughing at the fans celebrating “getting one over” the Premier League, not realising that these deals merely paper over the cracks and increase the likelihood of issues for seasons to come. It is basically like taking out a loan because you are struggling to pay the mortgage.

If you support another club, are reading this blog and have spent your weekend on social media talking about these deals in a positive mind-set, please educate yourself. These deals are not a loophole, they are not something to be celebrated. They just move a problem from 2024 to 2025 or 2026.

At the weekend I also had a giggle over Everton fans welcoming a bid from Newcastle United for Dominic Calvert-Lewin. if it was Arsenal, Manchester United or Liverpool bidding for their star striker, they would be moaning about PSR forcing them to sell and the “Red Cartel”. But as it is their “friends” at Newcastle, they have no issue selling.

It just shows that everything is just posturing and the attack on “bigger” clubs is just a deflection tactic to take away the attention from their badly run clubs.

The narrative of PSR is always that “it stops clubs competing”. But this is not true. What it actually does is dramatically reduce the risk of clubs going into administration due to owners signing cheques they know they can not pay.

PSR is needed to protect the future of clubs. I am sure if the rules did not exist, Everton would have already entered administration. Aston Villa, meanwhile, with their 80% wages to turnover, would have quickly become the “new Leeds”, bankrupting the club for future generations in an attempt to spend their way up the league.

In the 10 years since PSR / FFP came in, just 6 English clubs have gone into administration. In the 13 years previous, 44 clubs went bust!

You get fans of Newcastle complaining that PSR stops their oil rich, sportswashing Sheikhs bank rolling them to success. But I would rather Newcastle’s spending being restricted and them forced to build naturally, then return to a situation where we were losing 3 or 4 clubs a year to administration.

The issue we arrive to is fans want their clubs to be able to spend what they want, regardless of the long term damage it might to do their club. And it is very short sighted.

What we have learned over the last few months is many fans do not care about the long term survival of their club. They are happy their owners bankrupting their future on the off chance of short term success.

And the irony is, if they got rid of PSR, it would not make the likes of Everton, Aston Villa or Nottingham Forest ore competitive. They would still be the paupers in comparison to Manchester City and Newcastle United who could spend even more! And then their fans will be moaning about an uncompetitive league with state sponsored clubs ruining things!

My final thought is be careful what you wish for.

I always remember Everton fans celebrating when Moshri became owner. About how he would be financed by Usmanov and Everton would become a force to be reckoned with again. A few years down the line and after overspending by hundreds of millions and run poorly, the club is on the brink of administration.

Fans need to stop wishing for short term solutions. The only way to sustain success in football is by having a long term plan.

Enjoy your Monday!

Keenos