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Progression the new top 4?

Is progression the new top 4

With this weekend being an FA Cup weekend, I thought I would try and put together a debate that I have been having recently with some mates.

I asked a few weeks ago to people “finish 4th and win the FA Cup, would you be happy with that? Would that make this season a success?”. The answer emphatically came back. NO.

When I asked them to expand their reasoning, one word continually popper up. PROGRESSION.

Over the last 10 years, and during our 8 year trophy drought, these guys were thirsty for a trophy. They became angry any time someone (Wenger) said something like “top 4 is a trophy”. Every time we were knocked out of a cup competition fielding a weakened side so as to rest players for the league (despite us having no chance of winning the league) they would call for Arsene Wenger’s head.

Trophies are king. Honours lists do not have top 4 on them. And I agreed.

Manchester United have won 2 trophies in 2 years. They did not finish to p4 last year, are struggling to do so this year, but history will not show the latter, they will show 2 trophies in 2 years.

So why has this attitude changed? Why is winning the FA Cup no longer seen as a successful season? And ultimately, what is progression?

When I asked them what is progression, they all listed various factors:

  • Challenging for the title
  • Beating top sides away
  • Getting past the Last 16 of the Champions League
  • Not making the same mistakes year after year

I understood the points they were making. That Arsenal have not challenged for a title in years. Have an awful recent record in big away games. The Last 16 record is a joke. And the predictable continual mistakes are frustrating.

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It feels like Arsenal as a club have not gone forward over the last 5 years. We are already double figures behind Chelsea and out of the Champions League. There has been no progression at the club in that time.

But then there has been 2 FA Cups. 2 trophies. 2 pieces of silverware. Surely that is more important than progression?

Let’s create a scenario:

  • Arsenal finish 2nd, 1 point behind the Champions
  • Arsenal beat big sides away – Chelsea, Man U & Man C – but lose away to all 3 relegated sides
  • Arsenal get knocked out of the Champions League semi finals

That is what my mates called for, that is the progression they demanded, but ultimately Arsenal ended up trophyless. Nothing to show for their efforts. No finals, not even a semi final trip to Wembley. A trophyless season where we progressed. Would you be happy with that?

Some will say yes, but I am in the no camp. Football is all about trophies. Not top 4 finishes, not showing progression.

I am sure the likes of Birmingham and Portsmouth would rather have won the trophies they did, and be in their current positions, than be a stable Premier League side like WBA or Stoke, but winning no trophies. The trophies are what is remembered, they are what go’s down in the record books.

Like top 4 finishes, progression that does not end in a trophy is pointless. No one will care about it in 20 years time.

Do you really think Man U will care about finishing 6th when they have League Cup already in the cabinet – making them the most successful side in the English game; overtaking Liverpool.

That expands my thinking further.

Finish above Spurs but without a trophy, or finish below them with a trophy?

Now I love this run we have going against that lot above the road. But what do we get for it? No cups, no silverware, just an ability to say it has been 22 years without them finishing above us. But if they finish above us, and we win the FA Cup, who has really had the better season? The side having a parade around North London for finishing above their rivals, or the side having a parade around North London because they won a trophy.

I see progression as the new Top 4. Only this time rather than those who back Wenger saying it is important, those who do not back him are the ones holding it in high esteem.

Essentially, winning a trophy trumps progression. Give me the FA Cup over finishing 2nd in the league any day of the week.

Tomorrow is the most important game of the season. Win the FA Cup and I do not care if we fail to win another Premier League game this season.

Stick your progress up your arse, it is all about the trophies.

Keenos

Some Arsenal ticketing thoughts…

This is a general ramble about a few different things with one thing in common. Tickets.

WBA away has sold out at 30+ credits. I was surprised at this. WBA away was one of the first games I went to. It often went to General Sale. Was very rarely at 5+.

Whilst the £26 away ticket is brilliant for away fans who want to go to every game, it has also created a scenario where people are credit hoarding.

Last season, Everton away, on the same weekend, sold out at 20+. Crystal Palace started off at 40+. I have no idea what the upcoming game against Spurs will end up selling out at. Probably 45+.

The idea of the credit system is simple. It rewards people for going to games. The more games people go to, the more credits they obtain, the better games they go to. You start off with your Stoke’s, WBA’s and Sunderland’s, games that people do not want to go to so the amount of credit’s drop.

But the £26 ticket, alongside the rise of social media, has meant people are now buying tickets for games that they have no wish to go to in greater numbers than previously.

At £26, you can buy an away brief, knowing that if you are unable to shift it, you are not taking a big hit to the bank account. But with Twitter and Facebook, shifting those tickets is often easy.

I am a member of the away scheme. I have to buy tickets for every away game, so have made use of selling tickets on social media for games that I can not make. It has its advantages. But I have never bought a ticket with the plan to sell it on straight away.

Recently I had a moan about our current away support. One of the fans I moaned about (who spent most of the game getting excited when Sadio Mane got on the ball) responded to my blog. “One of the four of us in the stands is a Millwall fan”.

How has a Millwall fan bought tickets for Liverpool v Arsenal?

Unsurprisingly they are students, and it really highlights the dilution of our away support.

People are buying tickets online, then selling them on to students who do not regularly go to games (and often support other teams) who go to universities near to where we are playing. When we play Man U, the away section is filled with fans who go to a university in the North West. These fans just want to go to the football, tell their friends they are going to the football, more interested in selfies then cheering for the team.

They are getting their tickets from people who have bought their ticket with no interest in going. Tickets going to fans who have never been to a game, rather than those who have done the hard miles.

I was added to a Whatsapp group not too long ago. It was to buy and sell tickets. When Arsenal drew Southampton in the FA Cup, one chap put in a request for 50 tickets. He was involved with an Arsenal Supporters Club and wanted 50 tickets so that his members, mainly students at South Coast universities, could go to games.

50 tickets. And he got them all.

That means there were 50 people who bought a ticket for an FA Cup game who had no intention of going. And instead they were sold on, then sold on again, so that people could have a day out at the football.

The club have recently cracked down on fans selling on Twitter. Some innocent fans trying to sell their tickets to games they can no longer make have been incorrectly caught in the net, but the club need to do more, and stop the credit hoarders from staying above 40+ credits without actually going to a game themselves, selling to local students, selling to Millwall fans.

On a side note, I laughed at the Spurs fan who tried to shift his Millwall ticket for £125 who then got his ST cancelled. Boy did he cry on Twitter. That’s what you get for selling for profit. Maybe he should have contacted our Liverpool going Millwall friend?

Real fans who have done the miles are missing out on tickets, whilst Arsenal fans hoard credits and sell to people who see football as a day out rather than a way of life. It’s not right. And there is no easy solution.

 

My second thought surrounds Under 23 games.

Arsenal are set to play Manchester City at the Emirates Stadium in a Premier League 2 fixture.

Tickets are available for £4 adults, £2 children. A brilliant deal and well worth going to see some of our youth. For many of those who feel priced out, who can no longer take their lads football, the game next Monday – kicking off a 7pm – could be a great opportunity. But my thought is why charge at all?

I imagine the price covers the cost of opening and running the stadium for that day. But Arsenal could easily absorb this.

The club could curry a lot of favour by offering tickets for all U23 games for free to all fans, no matter if that game be at the Emirates or at Meadow Park, in Borehamwood. I imagine there will be a lot of fans who would be happy taking their kids to a youth game for nothing.

The club could easily absorb the cost no matter the venue, and it would be a good way of giving people who don’t go down The Arsenal on a regular basis to go to a game. A chance for kids to get the bug at an early age. I imagine many of the dissatisfied fans who no longer go to the 1st team game due to Wenger, Kroenke, Gazidis et al would also go to the U23’s as a way to keep backing The Arsenal.

There is no need for Arsenal to be charging for U23 games. Make them free. Let anyone go. It will be a stronger future for our club.

Keenos

10 reasons why Arsenal WILL beat Bayern Munich tonight

1. Under Arsene Wenger, Arsenal have never lost a Last 16 2nd leg Champions League tie at home

2. In their last 5 Last 16 2nd leg Champions League tie’s, Arsenal have lost just once

3. Arsenal’s Last 16 2nd leg Champions League record under Arsene Wenger reads: P 14 W 7 D 3 L 4 F 21 A 10

4. Only once have Arsenal ever lost both legs of a Round 16 game (2015/16)

5. Alexis Sanchez was rested for 45 minutes against Liverpool. He will be fresh and ready to go

6. Mesut Ozil is back from his illness. He will be fresh and ready to go

7. Aaron Ramsey is returning from injury

8. Yaya Sanogo is in fine form for the U23’s. He is available to start having been included in Arsenal’s Champions League squad for the knockout stages

9. The last time there was an Wenger Out protest, Arsenal won, beating Norwich 1-0

10. With Arsenal having just an FA Cup tie at the weekend, Wenger can put out his strongest XI then rest players for the lesser competition on Saturday

Keenos