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League Cup highlights Spurs are still in Arsenal’s shadow

I remember a few years ago writing a blog about attendances at Arsenal and Spurs. It was basically questioning why Spurs are building such a big stadium.

The blog was about Spurs struggling to fill White Hart Lane for certain games:

The point I was making in the blog was that if Spurs struggle to sell out for every game now, there were only be more empty seats in a bigger stadium.

I then returned to Arsenal. Even for League Cup games at Highbury, we sold out. And since the move to the Emirates, Arsenal’s lowest attendance (before the Doncaster game) is 46,539, against Shrewsbury Town in the League Cup third round way back on the 20th September 2011.

The Doncaster attendance was 44,064. 

So Arsenal get near enough twice as many fans turn up for small games than Spurs, but Spurs are building a stadium bigger than Arsenal? It is all just very odd.

When I wrote the original blog, many Spurs fans pointed out that Arsenal’s Stadium is bigger than White Hart Lane. That Spurs can not get 46,539 into their current stadium so it was an unfair comparison.

This argument was stupid, because whilst I would not expect Spurs to have more fans in the ground than their capacity, the point is they are not filling their current stadium.

The Spurs argument was that if they build a bigger stadium, more fans will turn up for the smaller games. If you build it, they will come.

This completely missed the point that every year over the last half a decade, there have been games where 10,000 tickets have gone unsold. They have been advertised at train stations and in the Evening Standard, yet still tickets were unsold.

A bigger stadium would not magically create more fans. They had an opportunity to take one of the 10,000 unsold tickets, and chose not too. A bigger stadium would just leave more seats empty.

In 2012, 25,030 turned up to watch Spurs play Lazio in the Europa League. That is around 10,000 tickets unsold (maybe a little less with the reduced capacity). If Spurs played in a 60,000 seater stadium, the attendance would still be 25,030, meaning that their would be 34,970 unsold seats.

But if the stadium was bigger, more would turn up the window lickers kept shouting at me.

Well on Tuesday Spurs were playing a League Cup game at Wembley. A 90,000 seater stadium. It was against Barnsley. 23,826 people turned up to watch. That is 61,686 less than what turned up to watch Spurs play Bayer Leverkuson last year in the Champions League.

So they built it, but they did not come.

In comparison, Arsenal’s attendance yesterday for the game against Doncaster was 44,064. Nearly twice as many Arsenal fans turned up for a game in the same competition as Spurs.

Of course, Spurs fans will have their excuses. Like it being at Wembley instead of Tottenham – even though hardly any of their fans actually live in Haringey.

They will point to it being the League Cup, yet Arsenal had more turn up, and are they then saying they only want to go to the big games?

The fact is, their new stadium is a vanity project. They are hoping that by building a bigger stadium ,it will elevate them to a top team, a more popular team, and their fan base will grow.

In reality, you only grow as a club, become more popular, with success. And no matter how big Spurs build their stadium, it will not hide the fact that they have won just a single League Cup in 18 years. No FA Cup in 26 years. No league title in 56 years.

It will be hilarious when Spurs play in their new stadium, whether it be next season or the year after. Their League Cup 3rd round tie against a lower league side will just be a case of déjà vu.

It will not see them sell out. It will not even see them get above 45,000. As history has shown, for these smaller games, Spurs only have around 25,000 who actually want to go.

Spurs will always be in Arsenal’s shadow, no matter how big they build their stadium.

A big new stadium does not make you a big club.

Keenos

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Spurs, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Crystal Palace & More

Spurs

WLLLLLLWDLLDWD

P 14 W 3 L 8 D 3

Good record at Wembley guys!

And now we have their manager saying that they are too big to win the League Cup or the FA Cup.

1 League Cup in 18 years is what they have won. No FA Cup in 26 years. No league title in 56 years.

They are the laughing stock of English football. I always giggle to myself when they are classed as one of England’s biggest teams. When people talk about a top 6. Their manager has won nothing. They have won nothing of note for decades.

Small time club who have always thought they are more relevant than they are.

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain

LLLDD

I won’t laugh too much as the first two results on that run were for Arsenal. But good to see his Liverpool career start so “well.”

The lad clearly had a high opinion of himself, but it was clear to see that his talent was never as big as his ego. He simply is not as good as he thinks he is.

Thierry Henry had it spot on when he said “I just do not know what he is good at. What he brings to the table.” He seemed to blame everyone for his stagnation at Arsenal, but he never seemed to blame himself.

When he joined Liverpool, he was playing week in week out for Arsenal at right wing-back. He left to play central midfield.

At the Scousers, he has found himself in the middle. In the middle of his bench that is.

Oxlade-Chamberlain came off the bench for his debut at half time. In the Champions League he came on in the 89th minute. Then at the weekend against Burnley he was introduced to play in the 79th minute.

57 minutes played over 3 games. Well done mate. Enjoy rotting. In 2 years you will be at Hull or Stoke. All because you think you are better than what you are.

Crystal Palace

10 games

3 managers

9 defeats

9 games without scoring

Look forward to their idiotic “ultras” crying as they go down.

Be careful what you wish for

Crystal Palace are bottom. Many wanted Frank de Boer to replace Arsene Wenger.

One place above Crystal Palace in the table are Bournemouth. It still baffles me why some fans wanted Eddie Howe at Arsenal.

Finishing off the relegation zone is Everton. The side many Arsenal fans said we should be emulating. The side a lot of fans said would finish above Arsenal. They have proved it is not about spending, but who you spend it on.

4th from bottom are West Ham. Remember when people wanted Slaven Bilic because he showed passion?

I have said time and again, I want Wenger replaced, but replaced with someone of superior quality. A lot of names often banded about are useless, and have since proved to be so. Be careful what you wish for.

Keenos

Bournemouth, Booing Sanchez, Title Rivals and Everton

Bournemouth

We won, expected us to win, we did what was expected.

A bit like I expected us to lose at Stoke and Liverpool, Saturday was a routine win. Not much to get excited over.

Good post-game drink up though.

Booing Sanchez

Title Rivals

Early doors I know, but Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea look streaks ahead of everyone else this campaign. I expect United and City to start breaking away as their first XI’s and squads are incredible. Chelsea will fall away due to a thin squad – there last two title triumphs have been due to being able to keep a core 14 players fit.

With regards to everyone else, it is much of a muchness.

Thousands of column inches have been written about Arsenal’s crisis. And things are not great. But also a lot has been written about how great Tottenham and Liverpool are. That they are upwardly mobile, forward thinking clubs. 1 point splits the 3 clubs after the first 4 games.

It just shows how the media can spin your perspective on things. Arsenal are not as bad as many make out. Liverpool and Spurs are not as good as they make out.

Expect it to be close between all 3 for 4th place spot.

The caveat is however that Arsenal will not be in the title race this season. It is OK being like Nelson Muntz and pointing and laughing at others misfortune, but we are in a bad position. We should be talking about competing with City, United and Chelsea, not small clubs like Liverpool and Spurs.

Everton

Talking of small clubs, it seems to have gone unnoticed about how poor Everton have been this season.

The talk over the summer was about brilliant they had been. Their new majority shareholder – Arsenal’s ex share holder Farhad Moshiri – had breathed new life into the Scouse club. Attracted massive new investment and made funds available to buy in players.

And they bought in a lot of players. 14 in total. £133,100,000 spent. There was talk about how they would be a threat this season. That they were showing Arsenal how to do it. That with a top manager and funds spent, they would be challenging for the top 4.

After 4 games, they have 4 points.

Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger have both spoken in the past about buying too many players. Admittedly Arsenal did not buy enough this summer, but I laughed in August when people were demanding the club buy an additional 5 or 6 players. They pointed at Everton as a club doing it the right way.

But the fact is, Everton were like Spurs when they lost Gareth Bale. They sold their best player (Romelu Lukaku) and replaced him with a load of mid-table averageness.

4 points in 4 games and just 2 goals scored. Well done guys.

Keenos